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Is this for real? I am disgusted that Davejc will let his membership be abused for the sake of media attention.
I am at a loss for words over this.

Someone wake me and tell me this is just littlerose's ramblings and rantings giving me a living nightmares!

http://jesus-teachings.com/forum/5-cont ... ping-trial

Dave writes:

New whipping trial 29/07/2010 23:41
Things are very rushed for us at the moment, but I thought that I should let our readers know that the community held another whipping trial yesterday with a slightly different approach being taken. It was staged more as a political demonstration against Jiang Zemin and Luo Gan, two leaders of the Communist Party in China, who have led a campaign of terror against innocent, peace-loving Falun Gong practitioners over the past ten years, torturing and killing at least 3,000 verified deaths (and almost certainly many more that have not been verified), including powerful evidence collected by independent researchers to show that they actually sell the organs of their victims to overseas tourists coming to China for organ transplants. (E.g. they guarantee the tourists that if a kidney or liver fails to function during the transplant itself, they will find and give a replacement organ within two weeks! They then go and check their Falun Gong prisoners for blood types and chop them up for sale to the tourists.)

Zemin and Gan were both invited to attend and/or send someone to represent themselves, but they did not turn up. Jayme and Alf each took 25 lashes of the whip in their place, in the presence of a small crowd of Falun Gong practitioners, and before the lens of a TV station which is sympathetic to their cause. We ourselves also filmed the trial and the carrying out of the punishment. There was spirited discussion afterwards of the efficacy of such an action as a way of bringing home to complacent viewers just how real the torture and execution of innocent people is. People who could not control their tears as they watched Jayme and Alf taking the punishment were enraged at what is happening in China today.

The trial will feature in our documentary, "Beyond Justice", which discusses the whole concept of substitutionary punishment as a way of supporting justice without seeking revenge. In a political demonstration of this nature, it brings home to people in a shocking way that there are innocent people suffering while we go about our lives without a thought in the world for them. In conjunction with a trial like this, we are strongly reminded of exactly what these men have carried out in the privacy of prisons and hospitals in China.

This morning our two volunteers are up and around with almost no signs of pain. The same cannot be said for the many thousands who have suffered and are still suffering in China today.
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This is just plain wrong and it proves nothing whatever in my opinion except Davejc has some very sadistic tastes and is a complete media hound.

How can the family members of the jc's feel comfortable with their loved ones being exposed to this kind of ritual abuse?

Dave rants on about not listening to conspiracy theories and yet here he has his community acting on just that if he thinks the Chinese government are chopping up Falong Gong practioners to sell their body parts; as he states in this direct quote:

Falon Gong are a cult, who operate with about as much, if not more, lies and twisting of truth than the JC's. There are quite a few ex members of this cult to paint a completely different picture to the one Dave presents.

This is yet another play for media attention. All my past arguments and actions regarding the use of whipping and flogging of one another still apply.

Beatings for publicity. Hmmm. As far as I understand, such behaviour is generally required to be sequestered from the general public, along with other BDSM behaviours.

What people do in private to get their rocks off is entirely their business, as long as there is informed consent, and underage persons are not involved.

Regards,
Tony B.

My point exactly! I posted a link to a youtube video of BDSM guys talking about how it gets their rocks off onto the JC site, but they removed it, and didn't get the point.

Verity, are you up to doing a dialogue between Alf and Jayme as they get primed for the whipping?

Seriously, I have just viewed the link Dave posted. It looks like a pussy-cat whipping to me.

I have seen someone after a full-on whipping, and they had black bruises and were hot for days after. Mind you, they liked it!

For Alf and Jayme to be "not sore" the day after shows it was just that, a show!

Someone needs to turn a Fire Hose on these people!

The search for a suitable patsy...
SOURCE: http://www.jesus-teachings.com/forum/5- ... rial#37439

"We encouraged Casey to see his job as being done unto the Lord". There is a quote which says "whatsover you do to the least of these you do to me". So according to that quote Jesus would consider himself as being whipped, but the thing is, it is not meant to be read as a validation for rendering violence to someone. It is so warped and twisted that they would encourage someone to visualise whipping Jesus as a means to commit violence, as though Jesus (who was subjected to serious whipping) would be pleased with them giving him some more. This is so similar to the Children of God who would encourage women to visualise they were having sex with Jesus during their flirty fishing episodes.

[Apostate's post went up while writing mine, so he's preempted my comments on choosing Casey to be the Christian whipper!]

Even if Falun Gong's claims against the Chinese government are true, I have a hard time seeing how a couple of foreigners external to this conflict whipping each other in Australia can be seen as substituting the justice required for more than 3000 people murdered and butchered for body parts in China. It seems like an insult to the people directly affected by such atrocities. Are we to believe that people who allegedly butcher others would be convicted by people whipping each other as proxies for what they would like to do to them? Do they even know that it happened, or even care? So what purpose does it serve?

Dave claims:

I am guessing the victims tears would be out of sorrow for the brutality that they, or their colleagues have suffered, and that for them, the whipping represents the dehumanising torture of an oppressive authority, and NOT any kind of justice or resolution to their suffering. In effect it enflames their grief and anger. I can't see this as anything more than a gross exploitation of some one else's suffering.

Even Peter who has been expressing his admiration for their commitment has found cause to pause after viewing the video:

Dave explained:

David Jose who was given this task last time ended up regretting it and leaving. But what if Casey, who it seems has an aptitude for cracking whips, finds he likes it? This is the guy whose original avatar featured the motto "Life is Pain" and a graphic of a guy poking someone in the eye!

As apostate points out, the concept of whipping someone as if its "being done unto the Lord" is quite strange indeed.

Peter's instinctive response to seeing the whipping indicated repulsion:
But then we see a new conditioned behaviour seeking to overide the god-given instinct:

There is nothing "manly" in hardening one's heart to accept pointless brutality.
Forsake this darkness now!

Peter needs to have his eyes opened. There is nothing gutsy about letting yourself be abused like this. It's downright dangerous and sick.

I imagine any tears were over seeing such ugly violence and knowing it was done by choice. It's almost an insult to those who have suffered that type of abuse in some horrible prison system. YES object to whippings and abuse of anyone but don't reenact them for the thrill of inserting yourself into the media.

Oh Davejc how much will you pimp out your members? I am so sickened and angry that there is a video of this. I am not looking at it.

I'm not bloody surprised that it was Casey wielding the whip however....the Life Is Pain poke yer eye out lad. The one who rarely has anything cheerful to say but dwells on doom, gloom and murderous plots. Dave you are creating a way that someone could actually become warped and twisted if you tell them they are whipping someone for the LORD!!!

Does anyone have this Peter person's email address? I understand Denise has it and is tormenting him with poison emails....*lol* doubt she is about to share with me but if anyone does know it, I would love to send Peter some information.

I'd just like to see to it that he has examined public information and documented facts before he gets in too deep.

When my daughter was born, I had the necessity to change pooey nappies (soiled diapers for those in America).

The procedure was unpleasant, but necessary. Most people would consider it a parental duty.

So we have a job that to be done, which is unpleasant. The task is seen by society in general as prosocial, which gives something to balance the unpleasant aspect. It's a necessary task, which lends the air of a requirement rather than something that is elective. All these things signal to the parent that changing nappies is OK for them.

The person administering these whippings, however would seem to have none of these reassurances. Society in general would strongly advise against it. If there is a sexual component involved, then the activity ought to be done in private (and we shall not enter in to that arena). There is absolutely no necessity involved, so it can't be seen as distasteful duty.

What then allows the whipper to carry out his task? What supports him in doing a bad thing in administering serious levels of pain, to friends? What moral rationale does he use to square his conscience with his bad job?

Well, DaveJC is not afraid to use people up. I guess this may be another of those people he uses to gain publicity for himself ...

But it's very sad.

Regards,
Tony B.

When you cut through the doublespeak, the "whole point" to the whipping is outrage. It is the common denominator to the three whipping incidents on record.

1. Outrage that a Kenyan volunteer took a box of used books.
2. Outrage that the police did not lay charges against Joe's family.
3. Outrage.... here the details seem less important than the general fact that... bad things happen.

Outrage (out'rāj')
n.
An act of extreme violence or viciousness.
An act grossly offensive to decency, morality, or good taste.
A deplorable insult.
Resentful anger aroused by a violent or offensive act.
tr.v., -raged, -rag·ing, -rag·es.
To offend grossly against (standards of decency or morality); commit an outrage on.
To produce anger or resentment in: Incompetence outraged him. See synonyms at offend.
http://www.answers.com/topic/outrage